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Post by ouchy on Jul 22, 2007 10:33:09 GMT -5
You seem to have some confusion about the difference between natural progesterone cream and the Pill. The progestins in the Pill are synthetic and prevent pregnancy...and must never be used if pregnant because they are harmful to the foetus. Actually, some synthetic progesterones--progestins are given during pregnancy to sustain the pregnancy when low progesterone is a concern. While bioidentical forumaes are available, sometimes the synthetics are stronger and are so proscribed. Weird, huh! I've known 2 babies whose moms had to take progestins to sustain their pregnancies, and both came out fine--no harm.
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Post by jellybean on Aug 22, 2007 10:46:33 GMT -5
When I used Kokoro's natural progesterone cream, everything ran like clockwork, I had no pain, my skin was beautiful, it was like living in a dream. When I switched to Arbonne's cream, my period came early. I stopped using all natural progesterone cream at that point and the pain returned by the next period. So well, if I ever consider natural progesterone again, it will be Kokoro for me, but I hate having to put it on twice a day. It would be nice to just be normal effortlessly...in a perfect world. On the bright side, it does smell nice and not too strong.
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Post by jellybean on Aug 22, 2007 10:52:42 GMT -5
You seem to have some confusion about the difference between natural progesterone cream and the Pill. The progestins in the Pill are synthetic and prevent pregnancy...and must never be used if pregnant because they are harmful to the foetus. Actually, some synthetic progesterones--progestins are given during pregnancy to sustain the pregnancy when low progesterone is a concern. While bioidentical forumaes are available, sometimes the synthetics are stronger and are so proscribed. Weird, huh! I've known 2 babies whose moms had to take progestins to sustain their pregnancies, and both came out fine--no harm. Yes...of course, they're considered a last resort, especially if the baby is female, because they tend to masculinize the child as they do many of the women who take them. I know a woman who was on a progestin while pregnant in order to keep her baby. All his baby teeth rotted before his adult teeth grew out. Luckily, those were fine. Apparently, that was a side effect she was warned about while she was pregnant. I thought that was scary. I read a story of a woman who had 8 miscarriages before she started using natural progesterone cream and finally carried a baby to term. There are others like that, but most doctors would probably laugh at the idea. Just like the emergency room doctor at the hospital when I miscarried thought it was humorous that I was controlling endo with herbs.
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Post by minnie on Aug 23, 2007 11:48:04 GMT -5
Doctors are so thoughtful and kind at just the appropriate moments aren't they! What a w**ker - excuse the language, but that is outrageous, Jellybean. Talk about a bedside manner. You should complain about that! I would have kicked him! Poor you, that is just what you want to hear in that kind of situation. I think we should have a thread whereby we can just post quotes like that from stupid doctors. In fact I am gonna start one right now!
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Post by jellybean on Aug 25, 2007 16:29:12 GMT -5
I did want to kick his teeth in, but the jerk also didn't tell me he was even suspecting a miscarriage. Everyone did their poking around, took blood and urine samples, and the first time someone just sort of confirmed the miscarriage was about 6 1/2 hours later. And they just left me sitting there in a hospital gown bleeding that whole time.
My boyfriend wasn't very comforting as far as the herbal issue. He never knew anyone who took them before he met me, so it's just weird to him and he felt I should have expected the doctor's response. My view is much different than his, and I've become this way after many years of dealing with ignorant, stubborn, irresponsible doctors. If anyone doubts my herbs, his/her opinion is no longer valid, period. I don't care how many flashy degrees he has on his wall.
Not only was my naturopath the most brilliant doctor I ever knew, but he listened to my ideas and we had some fascinating conversations as a result. If only he wasn't so far away now. I did mention to the jerk of a doctor that he prescribed vitex for me and that he was NHAA certified. Of course, that still meant nothing to him. Now, just thinking about it, I again want to kick his teeth in. Dammit.
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Post by puddleduck on Sept 17, 2007 3:50:45 GMT -5
How is it working? Well, at the five month mark, having seen my specialist last month to ask, he reckons sufficiently well not to recommend putting me on Cerazette (not that Cerazette seems like an appealing option by the sounds of the side effects). Haven't had to use any tramadol this month and am mainly only relying on diclofenac and cocodamol 30/500 . So it's not a miracle cure, but has reduced pain levels by 60%. However, he isn't prescribing or advising on dosage, timing etc of using natural progesterone, so I am obtaining it myself. It does leave one wondering what exactly I'm paying this doctor privately for at all! However, it is a better option than the previously prescribed medicines and I can see that it has benefits in the long run. I will admit that it was worth the journey there just to show that it has been an improvement over the Mirena!
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Post by abornich on Jan 27, 2008 15:22:08 GMT -5
I'm a newly diagnosed endo. patient, and It's great to see these posts on here about the progesterone cream. I read that by taking the progesterone cream you can trick your body into thinking its pregnant and therefore get relief from the pain/endometriosis. Do you think this actually gets rid of the endometriosis or just the pain? I hope this will work for me, as it seems like the best option compared with birth control pills (lo ovral) or fake menapause. Also, has anyone tried green shakes to help healthwise?
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Post by puddleduck on Jan 30, 2008 6:45:13 GMT -5
Hello Abornich,
The claim that progesterone cream "tricks your body into thinking it's pregnant" is not true. I used 60-80mg natural progesterone cream from CD5 to CD26 for 7 months and it did not inhibit ovulation, which is what happens during pregnancy. Taken in this manner, it does delay ovulation in some women and also add to the body's own naturally produced progesterone after ovulation, to lengthen the luteal phase and help to stave off the effects of the foreign oestrogens (xenoestrogens) which get into our bodies through water, pesticides in foods, cosmetics and other chemicals and preservatives. Women tring to achieve a pregnancy use the cream from ovulation onwards.
The amount of progesterone cream recommended for endometriosis is 60-80mg per day, which brings the body's progesterone level to the equivalent it would be at two/three months pregnant.
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Post by abornich on Jan 30, 2008 14:50:32 GMT -5
wow, thanks for those helpful tips! I will keep this in mind when going to the gyno. again soon. I hope she'll work with me on this.
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Post by habwp on Feb 26, 2008 14:57:35 GMT -5
I'm curious; I have read all the threads on natural progesterone cream and I have researched it and so yesterday when I had my Dr. app, I figured I would ask about it. Now I'm confused...my Dr. told me I would have to smoother my whole arm in it to get even a small effect that the depo-provera gives me and besides "he says" it's mainly for premenopausal. Is this true? Did I misread everything u all have been saying?
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Post by abornich on Feb 26, 2008 18:13:04 GMT -5
my doctor also thought progesterin cream was a joke or something... I mentioned it to her because both my mom and sister are trying it out (and no, they're no menapausal). My mom went to a doctor's aid, and she prescribed it for her to see if it might help joint pain that she has. But, it seems most medical doctors, from what I understand, are sceptical or downright sarcastic about the stuff. I raelly think it's a matter of preference and might not hurt to try it. I almost decided to, but I'm trying the birth control first.
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Post by jellybean on Mar 5, 2008 16:48:25 GMT -5
My naturopath's view is that by using natural progesterone, by supplementing our progesterone needs with something external, we're signaling our bodies to not even bother to produce it on its own which doesn't help the problem. Which is why he feels vitex is better, because it regulates progesterone production which is entirely left up to the body.
That being said, I still got cramping after 2 years on vitex and I didn't while I was on natural progesterone, but the vitex along with the herbal concoction he gave me completely eliminated my pain. I just can't really get more of that concoction being this far away from him. But at least once I started on vitex, I wasn't getting pain when I wasn't menstruating. That was a big hindrance to me.
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Post by puddleduck on Mar 6, 2008 9:15:21 GMT -5
Jellybean,
Your naturopath has an unusual perspective on progesterone cream. It's unheard of that progesterone cream stops the body producing its own. Certainly, the newer synthetic progestins such as Cerazette do prevent the body ovulating, but the bioidentical forms do not. That is why the synthetic forms are dangerous to use in pregnancy, as they lead to foetal abnormalities, but the natural forms can and do help to sustain a pregnancy and have helped many women with recurrent miscarriage conceive. That would only be possible if they worked along with the body's own progesterone formed in the corpus luteum. No corpus luteum, no pregnancy!
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Post by jellybean on Mar 6, 2008 21:24:57 GMT -5
I never said anything about him saying it stops ovulation.
And the way that natural progesterone stops ovulation from what I've read is that the body receiving all that progesterone assumes that it has already ovulated.
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Post by jobiwon on Jul 24, 2008 14:40:03 GMT -5
I need some help. I have been reading about prog.cream for a while now, I would LOVE to get off the pill which causes headaches and nausea. I talked to my dr and he said they use it for hormone replacment and he would not recommend it for me. I said id like to try anyways. I am just wondering if keep using the cream, can my periods stop? My dr does not want me to get a period. And also, does it only get rid of pain, or does it help to stop, or slow down endo from returning? Can you still get pregnant while using it all the time, or do you need to change your schedule? I would like to get pregnant next year after I get married, but I DO NOT want to stay on the pill for that long! Im sorry I have so many questions, but if someone could help me out that would be great. I need opinions other than drs b/c sometimes they just want to push the pill so much. Please write back if you can answer any of my questions! thank you!
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