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Post by ouchy on May 21, 2007 20:18:44 GMT -5
Probably depends on the potency of the cream. If it was specifically compounded to be used like this, then it may affect it. Chances of getting pregnant depends on whether or not the cream delays or prevents ovulation and other fertility issues--timing of intercourse, etc.
Although, if your progesterone is normal, it may reduce it (receptor binding competition), and low progesterone almost always results in miscarriage (luteal phase defect).
If you're actively trying to get pregnant and have low progesterone, you might ask your doctor about using it from ovulation until period or 12th weeks of pregnancy or so. That's what our bodies do--produce high levels of progesterone from ovulation on, so it might be counter-productive to use it before ovulation? Especially if ovulating and becoming pregnant is your goal. I'd definitely ask your OBGYN.
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Post by puddleduck on May 26, 2007 15:29:40 GMT -5
Hi there,
I'm just wondering what effects other women have experienced during the first 2-3 months of using natural progesterone. This is my second cycle using the cream. I was warned that, to begin with, it sensitises oestrogen receptors. I have definitely noticed that I have worse acne and recently have become very weepy at the slightest thing.
I'm using the cream from day 6 to day 26 of my cycle and my BBT chart has shown that I've ovulated. Technically I'm premenstrual, but this is worse than usual. I'm prepared for things to get a little rocky before the pain improves. In any case, it's a far better option than a synthetic drug like Depo Provera which has severe and long lasting side effects (sometimes irreversible).
Can anyone reassure me that it will pass?
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Post by puddleduck on Jun 1, 2007 3:30:36 GMT -5
Well, the weepiness went! (a few days ago).
It must have been related to midcycle hormone shifts.
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Post by puddleduck on Jun 10, 2007 7:18:12 GMT -5
Hello there,
How many others are using the cream from day 5 or 6 of the cycle until day 26? This is what I was instructed to do by my doctor (I'm using 60mg per day), and in two books I have read it says that by doing this it will suppress ovulation. I've ovulated in both previous cycles when I've used it in this way (I'm taking my BBT and charting).
I just wondered whether anyone else has found they stopped ovulating, or not.
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Post by ouchy on Jun 10, 2007 11:20:03 GMT -5
I think you're probably the only one using it that way. If it is not suppressing your ovulation (if that is what you want it to do), you might consult your doctor about upping the dosage.
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Post by ouchy on Jun 17, 2007 11:49:26 GMT -5
Posted by member puddleduck in another thread. ________________________- Hello lovely Peeps, I'm just curious about how many women you know who have used natural progesterone long-term for endometriosis or infertility, and how they are now. This is my third month of using it. I only know of one other woman in the UK using it. One has stage IV endo and has been on it 8 months and is very well. It would be good to gain a broad picture.
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Post by misa on Jun 19, 2007 8:58:39 GMT -5
I just asked my fertility nurse about progesterone cream from day 6-26 and she said that women with endo will still ovulate because of the hormones the endo creates. A normal woman with no hormone imbalance would not ovulate this way, but we would as we are estrogen dominant. She said one woman was infertile for 8 years from endo but got pregnant after 4 mths on the cream.
I am also going to try it. I dont know whether to do day 6-26 or Ovulation to menstruation. grrr help someone xxx
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Post by ouchy on Jun 19, 2007 14:34:22 GMT -5
I just did (and what my OBGYN suggested, knowing I have both endo and PCOS) what my body should have done naturally--increased progesterone from ovulation until menstruation.
I'd first get your hormones checked to see if you even need the cream.
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Post by misa on Jun 20, 2007 8:38:55 GMT -5
Ouchy I will also do the ovulation to menstruation thing. Sounds better to me. Plus Im not ttc at the moment, so when I do and have problems Ill go on metformin and maybe progesterone from day 6-26 if all fails. I had my ultrasound and she showed me my ovary, had a string of black pearls around the edge. They were large and very neat! lol! I have the text book pcos ovaries. My endo cyst has regressed Do you know if progesterone cream helps pcos at all? thanks xxx
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Post by ouchy on Jun 20, 2007 9:29:11 GMT -5
^If you're trying to get pregnant, they may have you take it to mimic what your body should naturally do. The progesterone cream can help the PCOS if you have luteal phase defect from low progesterone. Apparently, it's pretty common in women w/ PCOS. PCOS string pearls do look cool, but they're oh so not cool!
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Post by viper on Jul 21, 2007 22:08:26 GMT -5
A little late here, but misa, I am now doing days 7-27 (slightly longer cycle). I tried doing the ovulation to menstruation route for six or so months, and though it did help, it didn't help much. My last several menstrual cycles with the new routine have been the least painful, lightest, most delightful periods I've ever had (including as a young teen). The last two didn't have a single big cramp! The number of blood clots has also decreased to 2 or 3 my heavy day, and the strange early-cycle pain I was having has also stopped. My doctor posited that taking it from the end of menstruation works for me because the lining of the uterus doesn't have a chance to build up (which starting at ovulation wouldn't affect), and then there is less to shed. I haven't tracked to see if I'm still ovulating.
I am NOT trying to get pregnant, and I know that influences things. There are two definite camps about when to use it, so you might have to experiment and get a few medical opinions to find out which one works for you.
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Post by ouchy on Jul 21, 2007 22:16:38 GMT -5
Has anyone tried days 1-21 like w/ the bc pill? That would make the lining build up even less than days 7-28, unless the cream isn't really all that strong to begin with and the period doesn't come a few days after quitting it. If I ever go back to having cramps w/ periods, I'll be experimenting with it!
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Post by viper on Jul 22, 2007 2:52:01 GMT -5
That's an interesting idea, ouchy! If my current regimen stops working, I would definitely guinea pig that schedule. I will admit that I haven't done much research on the pill (decided early on that one of the common side effects was unacceptable and would try natural methods--which are working--before I looked at pills), but I thought that the majority of them worked via estrogen, not progesterone, and that's why the timing is different. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the prog. cream is a total weakling compared to the pill--otherwise, everyone would be using it for birth control!
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Post by puddleduck on Jul 22, 2007 5:38:09 GMT -5
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the prog. cream is a total weakling compared to the pill--otherwise, everyone would be using it for birth control! You seem to have some confusion about the difference between natural progesterone cream and the Pill. The progestins in the Pill are synthetic and prevent pregnancy...and must never be used if pregnant because they are harmful to the foetus. The progesterone in USP progesterone cream is bioidentical, meaning it is the same thing as the body produces, and as such is not harmful to a developing foetus and is not used for contraceptive purposes. However, by introducing natural progesterone into the body from the early part of the menstrual cycle onwards, it will stop as much oestrogen being produced to thicken the endometrium and in some women (mostly those without endometriosis) will prevent ovulation because of this process. In some but not all women with endo there is too much oestrogen already, and ovulation will not be suppressed, but will lower over time. If taken from ovulation onwards only, it raises the body's progesterone levels and temperature and can actually help sustain a pregnancy. Natural progesterone is far from being a weakling! The reason it has mostly been ignored is because people wanted contraception. That's why pharmaceutical companies jumped on the Birth Control Pill and marketed it as a solution for so many women's problems: because it was more popular, gave people the chance to have worry-free sex and the financial profits were enormous. Pharmaceutical companies cannot patent and market a natural substance such as progesterone to sell. What they do is take progesterone and alter it in a lab, which means its structure and effects change, which entails a whole load of unwanted side effects with it. BUT the pharmaceutical companies can patent it and make money from it.
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Post by ouchy on Jul 22, 2007 10:25:55 GMT -5
That's an interesting idea, ouchy! If my current regimen stops working, I would definitely guinea pig that schedule. I will admit that I haven't done much research on the pill (decided early on that one of the common side effects was unacceptable and would try natural methods--which are working--before I looked at pills), but I thought that the majority of them worked via estrogen, not progesterone, and that's why the timing is different. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the prog. cream is a total weakling compared to the pill--otherwise, everyone would be using it for birth control! Actually, with POP's (progestin-only-pills), you take one each single day without stopping/starting. Cool, huh! But yah. I'm totally against synthetics!
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