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Post by omaklackey on Jun 21, 2011 16:31:28 GMT -5
I have been reseaching the Crohns Diet and I was wondering how different it is from the Endo diet. Here is a list which seems similiar:
alcohol (mixed drinks, beer, wine) butter, mayonnaise, margarine, oils carbonated beverages coffee, tea, chocolate corn husks dairy products (if lactose intolerant) fatty foods (fried foods) foods high in fiber gas-producing foods (lentils, beans, legumes, cabbage, broccoli, onions) nuts and seeds (peanut butter, other nut butters) raw fruits raw vegetables red meat and pork spicy foods whole grains and bran"
There is also what they call a low residue diet which I have found ALL of these to be trigger foods:
"A low-residue diet is one that's low in specific foods that add residue to the stool. Many individuals with small-bowel Crohn's disease have a narrowing or stricture of the lower small intestine (the ileum). For them, a low-fiber with low-residue diet can help lessen abdominal pain, cramping, and diarrhea, this diet may also help decrease frequency of bowel movements for some people. Foods to avoid on a low-residue diet may include:
corn hulls nuts raw fruits seeds vegetables"
~ WebMd Crohn's disease diet plan
I dont have many of the same triggers and pain foods that many have on the endo diet. Until I can get better testing and scans I believe that using this list might help decrease some of the symptoms. At least that's what I'm hoping. I'm researching more hopefully as well.
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Post by pretty on Jun 21, 2011 17:19:57 GMT -5
Isn't it interesting how these diets overlap? I found the same thing while researching the endo diet in comparison with 'elimination' diets. Unfortunately one diet says yes, soy (or whatever) and then the other says 'absolutely no soy' so there you have the confusion... On my current diet, I 'can' have coconut, mango, etc but my blood type (A) diet says no. Anyhow Omak, I bet a naturopath can help you narrow these down to what can work for you. have you looked into the blood type diets? That could help you rule out items that may be harder for you to process, and go from there. Whatever happens I wish you the best! Sounds like a step in the right direction to me
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Post by omaklackey on Jun 21, 2011 18:09:06 GMT -5
I still haven't braved the "naturopath" conversation with the hubby. Call me a big chicken but my health has caused us the WORST arguements of our marriage so I try to avoid any topics with "money and Doctors" in the same sentence. Especially since that second colon test cost us and is now going to take five months to pay off. Ugh! BUT I'm doing what I can researching food on my own. There are so many resources out there. I had been writing down everything I eat but I haven't correlated pain very well. I'm trying to do better with that. I do know a few items now though, and the "low residue" is a big one. I'm looking into what that means exactly?
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Post by JC on Jun 21, 2011 18:29:17 GMT -5
Are you suspecting crohn's disease? The only thing that concerns me with this diet is cutting fruits, vegetables, and nuts, which are all healthy items. If you have crohn's then definitely cut it all out. But if you don't have crohn's you may be cutting out foods that are really good for you. Also, if you don't have crohn's and you go on the diet, you'll have problems with constipation.
I'm glad you're looking for alternative methods to help make you feel better though! I hope you don't have crohn's. My best friend has crohn's and it's so sad how she lives. She's so severely underweight because she can't eat. It's a terrible disease.
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Post by omaklackey on Jun 21, 2011 20:43:13 GMT -5
My GI doctor suspected some kind of IBD before he did the sigmoidoscopy. The biopsy he took of the large intestine came up empty so he is refusing to do any more testing so I won't be able to find out. What I think is its small bowel endometriosis which can mimic Crohns disease. All I know is fruit and vegetables seem to irritate me pretty bad. I can have a piece of garlic bread and not blow up as bad as I do after eating a salad. Its pretty annoying. I can't remember the last time I drank anything carbonated. I think it was about two years ago because it felt like drinking acid. The problem is I don't' have the malnourishment problems. I can't lose weight (most likely due to my lack of estrogen) so they are ignoring all the other signs. I am taking fiber supplements though and lots of multivitamins, but if it is a small bowel issue the vitamins won't necessarily absorb. Again due to my weight no one will believe me that I have an absorption problem. I can't lose weight so they will start believing me and I'm absolutely miserable but If I could just figure out "what not to eat" I would do it. I had the Anti gliadin antibody test and Gluten was NOT a factor. I had stomach biopsies as well and nothing came up but due to my extreme ulceration of the esophagus, stomach and duodenum I'm unable to take any kind of antiflammatory. Ulcers of this nature could be due to Crohns actually. At the time they were convinced it was due to over use of NSAIDs. I wish I could get them to repeat the endoscopy. THAT could tell me a lot! If my tummy's an ulcerated mess after all the tummy meds... I just think I have hit so many dead ends that I need more information but in the meantime, its something to research and experiment with
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Post by Karen on Jun 21, 2011 20:47:15 GMT -5
I hope your experiments lead you to some relief. I know it's so frustrating to get the run around and dead ends from docs, but there's such a sense of accomplishment if, despite all that, you can find some way to get your body to cooperate with you, even if it's just in the short-term.
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Post by omaklackey on Jun 22, 2011 20:49:44 GMT -5
Found this on low-residue diets! It makes so much sense. I can read this and recognize things that just irritate my belly so bad. Its been confusing for me because the endo diet stuff isn't all the same triggers. I'm going to really try to focus on this as much as I can! (of course my birthday is this weekend... but I can be good-except the cake ) "A low-residue diet, prescribed for a variety of illnesses and conditions, eases the burden on the bowels, allowing them to work at a more leisurely pace. The diet's central requirement is food that is easily and more completely digestible. The typical low-residue diet contains less than 10g to 15g of fiber daily, because high-fiber foods make the body work harder during the digestive process and leave more residue, notes MedlinePlus from the National Institutes of Health. Meat, Fish, Poultry and Cheese Allowable foods in the meat category include tender cuts of beef, pork, lamb, veal, poultry and fish, according to the Southern New Hampshire Medical Center. Other appropriate meats and seafood include sweetbreads, liver, kidneys, chopped clams and oysters. Foods in this category should be broiled, roasted, stewed or creamed. You also may eat American, cheddar, jack or Swiss cheese, as well as cream and cottage cheese. Dairy, Eggs, Fats and Oils On a low-residue diet, you may consume up to 2 cups daily of milk and other milk products, such as almond, lactose-free, rice and soy milks, yogurt and ice cream, according to the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. Eggs are also permitted. Allowable oil-based products include vegetable oils, mayonnaise and salad dressings without seeds. You may also eat modest amounts of butter and/or margarine. Fruits and Vegetables You can eat most cooked or canned vegetables without skin or seeds and cooked or canned fruits with skin (except pineapple), the UPMC explains. Other allowable vegetable and fruit products include lettuce; vegetable juice without pulp or seeds; applesauce; ripe bananas, cantaloupes and honeydew melons; and fruit juice without pulp. Breads and Cereals Cereal lovers will be able to eat their fill of refined, cooked and ready-to-eat cereals made of corn, oats, rice and wheat but should steer clear of whole-grain cereals such as bran, granola and oatmeal, and those with dried fruits and nuts. The SNHMC says that low-residue dieters also may eat refined white, light wheat or rye bread and rolls, saltines or soda crackers. Eat white and not brown rice and pasta made with refined grains, not whole grains, the UPMC counsels. Desserts and Sweets The UPMC says that plain cakes, cookies and pies are fine as long as they are made with allowable fruits and contain no nuts. Also permitted are plain hard candy, fruit ice and sherbet. To this list, the SNHMC adds plain puddings, custard, gelatin, junket and tapioca. Miscellaneous Foods Other allowable foods include salt, pepper and spices, plain gravy, strained soups, jelly, honey, syrup and carbonated beverages, according to the UPMC. The two medical centers disagree about the advisability of coffee and tea on a low residue diet, with the SNHMC listing the beverages on its allowable list, while the UPMC says to avoid them. Check with your doctor to confirm whether coffee and/or tea are allowed on your diet. Read more: www.livestrong.com/article/210591-low-residue-foods-list/#ixzz1Q3k9hwga
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Post by omaklackey on Jun 22, 2011 20:54:51 GMT -5
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Post by pretty on Jun 22, 2011 21:16:29 GMT -5
well I think there are a lot of things on here I wouldn't eat if I had endo...
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Post by omaklackey on Jun 23, 2011 2:19:23 GMT -5
there are definetely some unhealthy items on this list! I promise I wont eat those Pretty! I do think the low fiber is interesting though? and basically endo diet with low residue modifications... sound a little healthier? restrict my fiber to the fiber supplements I already take and continue eating low carb, low white processed crap/junk but stay away from seedy vegetebles. This is really crazy but sesame buns cause so much pain but a regular bun doesnt. freaky right? IBD just seems really likely and eating blander easier to digest food may help (endo friendly as well)
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Post by JC on Jun 23, 2011 5:39:46 GMT -5
I wish they could figure out what's wrong! I had the doctor blame my ulcers on NSAID use too which was a total crock of crap. I think you're doing the right thing by experimenting with the various diets to see what helps. I wish they would give you some more attention and time to investigate. That really sucks that they won't look any further. You know your body best and if those veggies and fruits don't agree with you then it would be awesome to see if you feel better off of them. My friend with crohn's can't eat them either. They really make her sick. Anything with fiber in it makes her sick. I really hope you can figure out what the cause of all this is. I wish the damn doctors would do it instead!!
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Post by pretty on Jun 23, 2011 12:27:43 GMT -5
Omak I will make you a spreadsheet of foods with columns for endo and crohns and basic elimination diet too... and what is your blood type? I love that even in all this struggle, you are still searching. Props girl! Hang in there. xo
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Post by omaklackey on Jun 23, 2011 13:38:47 GMT -5
Blood type A, Pretty. I still hope I can get a doctor to run some tests but in the meantime, I almost wish I could do one of those cleanses that Karen has done. I'm not sure my ulcers would like it because they need to be fed but It would be nice to have a starting point of a "clean" system so to speak and then the slow add of items. I'm just not sure how much will power I have. I just need to put my stubborn nature to good use!
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Post by Karen on Jun 23, 2011 20:27:42 GMT -5
I tell you, I've been thinking about doing a cleanse again myself! Well worth it if you do it right. If you starve yourself or only limit yourself to a handful of things, that's not right. If done properly, you can really eat quite well on a cleanse!
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Post by omaklackey on Jun 23, 2011 20:39:44 GMT -5
the one cleanse I found (I think I looked at yours Karen?) wasn't it kind of a lot of vegetables? That would be really hard on my system I think. I'm going to look into it anyways though!!
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