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Post by jellybean on Aug 22, 2007 1:00:36 GMT -5
Well...on the topic of calcium, since no one brought it up yet, calcium and protein sort of cancel each other so to speak. The more protein you eat, the more acidic your body becomes. The more acidic it becomes, the more calcium it uses to balance your pH--which is how we get osteoporosis, arthritis, etc.
I remember reading on WHO's website (sometime in the past couple years) of two studies they had done. One regarding the amount of calcium we need (without overconsuming protein) and the other about just how much protein we need. For women, I remember reading that we need about 25g of protein per day and 125mg of calcium (again, without overconsumption of protein). The more excess protein eaten, the more calcium we inevitably need.
So well, when you think about it, our needs are fairly low as long as we take care to eat the right proportions.
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Post by AussieBird on Aug 23, 2007 20:01:52 GMT -5
Good to see this thread. I have been paying close attention to my diet this last month and it has surprised me to discover that the hardest thing to cut out has been milk (not sugar!). Herbal tea is nice but not all the time - it's amazing how much I miss the tiny bit of milk that goes in my cup of tea. Milky drinks are so comforting. Oh well! Hopefully I will come across something I like more. As for live cultures, in Australia there is a capsule available called Inner Health Plus "Dairy Free" - taking this would eliminate the need for having the dairy yoghurt. Here is a link: www.healthworld.com.au/inner-health.htmThe hormones in cows milk sound awful - are there any in goats milk? Is goats milk still just as bad as cows milk for inflammation? For anyone who can't get rice milk, I believe it's possible to make it yourself; nut milks and oat milk too I guess.
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Post by kb on Aug 24, 2007 10:47:16 GMT -5
I know what u mean about giving up milk.
I just cant do it, i love a hot drink with milk in it, it doesnt seem to matter if its tea, coffee, hot chocolate, whatever, as long as it has milk.
I think it might be psychological, not sure.
I havent noticed any real harm personally from the bit of milk i have in the odd hot drink, but who knows, the effects from food are slow, so maybe im doing myself an injustice to keep having it.
Im not sure if theres hormones in goats milk, but it should in theory be less inflammatory, it doesnt have lactose, so is more easily digestable.
I guess if u can get organic stuff, might be a bit better, but id say ud pay through the nose for organic goats milk.
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Post by ouchy on Aug 24, 2007 10:53:54 GMT -5
I've read that goat's milk does have lactose, just smaller amount and different structure.
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Post by kb on Aug 25, 2007 1:30:07 GMT -5
that makes sense. I probs just thought that coz thats what my mother used when i was a bub and couldnt have cows milk.
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Post by anneny on Sept 3, 2007 17:44:10 GMT -5
I still don't understand why milk is bad but yogurt isn't, especially since you can get the bacteria by taking acidophilus.
Also, the WHO report saying we only need 25 g of protein per day was written as guidelines for nutrition assistance to countries afflicted by famine. Basically, it means you can live on 25 g of protein in addition to carbs. It does not mean that only 25g of protein is required for health.
My other question is about calcium--where do you get it if not from dairy products? Spinach and other leafy greens don't provide enough, and the tablets are even harder for your system to absorb than dairy products are.
I'm confused about cheese. This board seems to think that only cows milk is bad, but cheese from other animals is fine, but the main page on the site that outlines the diet seems to exclude all cheese, regardless of source. Can anyone explain to me why milk from other animals should be included when milk from cows is not?
This whole diet is very frustrating for me, especially since the more I read on these boards the more contradictory information I get.
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Post by ouchy on Sept 3, 2007 20:21:28 GMT -5
Hi, anneny. Welcome to the forum. I'm not a huge fan of the endo diet, so I can't give you much advice on it. I still have all kinds of dairy, and my pain went away w/ the diet I did. There is a reason listed above that shows why goat milk is better due to the structure of the specific lactose. I eat all kinds of dairy. I love it. I've never had a problem with it unless I drink like 1/2 a gallon. I think it all depends on the individual person.
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Post by kb on Sept 7, 2007 23:08:09 GMT -5
the reason the info contradicts, is coz people adjust the diet to suit there needs. Dairy wont cause pain to everyone, all our bodies are different.
The reason yoghurt is ok and milk is not is coz yoghurt is fermented, fermented products are easier to digest. The bacteria balance the negative effects so it doesnt cause harm and may be helpful.
Goats cheese is something i choose to still have coz i love cheese and would go crazy if i never had it, and i see it as a safer alternative, plus i love feta.
Alot of people get relief from sticking to the diet like 80% of the time, u will find some foods affect u more than others, and that u can get away with some treats without harm.
I think ud find it easier to stick to a healthy eating plan, and just focus on trying to eat less harmful foods slowly, the diet is drastic, and its hard to make all the changes at once.
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Post by schernoff124 on Jan 13, 2008 20:47:24 GMT -5
So I was wondering what everyone thinks of rice milk?
I bought some today since im trying to cut out all my diary and its so hard. so i figured id trick my mind into drinking this.
is it really better for you?
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Post by jellybean on Mar 12, 2008 20:58:31 GMT -5
Also, the WHO report saying we only need 25 g of protein per day was written as guidelines for nutrition assistance to countries afflicted by famine. For clarification, I looked into it further and while they state that their initial studies were intended for that purpose, they eventually shifted their focus to optimum nutrition. So I stand by what I said before.
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Post by cherylann on Apr 26, 2008 10:12:28 GMT -5
I like rice milk but think I prefer almond milk, even the unsweetened kind is tasty. They also have a vanilla/hazelnut version Ihave yet to try.
I have developed two or three canker sores in my mouth this week, which is not usual for me, and was wondering if yogurt could be the cause? I've been having it every morning for the past couple weeks. Anyone else have this problem??
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Post by StephanieDU4 on Sept 3, 2008 12:07:49 GMT -5
Stay away from SOY milk- Soy produces estrogen. Try rice milk or almond milk instead.
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Post by mommajo on Sept 6, 2008 23:55:53 GMT -5
Is there much of a price difference in these alternative milks- almond, rice, etc.? We are on a very limited budget & don't have the resources to go out of our way for milk, especially because our daughter drinks two gallons of milk a week. I've been thinking about starting this diet, since I don't have a definite diagnosis yet, just to see if it would help any...But how much are these milks typically and where would you get them? I live in Southern California.
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Post by Susanne on Sept 7, 2008 12:12:58 GMT -5
Hi, me again. Can't help you on the costs of the milk in the US but I did find that after an initial increase in costs (getting everything for the first time, trying out some things that may not be a succes) it's leveling out to my normal costs. I don't buy all the fruits and vegs biological, that would be too expensive. I try as mucha s possible, but if not then I leave it. Also we've been getting fruit and veg from my mother in law as she grows them herself. So nice! Tastes great too. I'm planning to grow some stuff myself after we move. Doesn't have to be a lot (get sick of courgettes after eating them 4x a week anyway ;-) )
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Post by fern on Sept 14, 2008 18:08:43 GMT -5
Just to clarify, is goat's cheese ok in the endometriosis diet or is it better to avoid it? I have heard that goats' products were easier to digest than cow's milk, but thought it was just the hormones from animals in general that should be avoided....thanks for any clarification:)
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