lauren
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Post by lauren on Apr 6, 2006 0:16:04 GMT -5
Hey there all, this is facinating! Question, you say that the ferning or at least thickening happens again before your period, therefore is it conceivable that there is a second fertile phase, I read some stuff about lunar fertility, but you have to know what phase the moon was in when you were born, not sure I follow the theory, but I worked it out anyway and for the past two months my lunar fertility phase would be just before my period and I feel the same as when its ovulation...?Just a thought. Another thing with the BBT, I aggree docs dont like it, but what is average, I got a thermometer and generally I was 36.3 or 36.4? Now on average its about 36.8 up to 37.0. I thought a persons BBT should be 37.3 or something like that. Any ideas?
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Post by ouchy on Apr 6, 2006 0:22:28 GMT -5
Hi, Lauren. I don't know about lunar fertility. But the 2nd ferning before the period is due to the secondary estrogen spike which does NOT result in a 2nd LH surge, which in turn does NOT result in a second ovulation. Ovulation happens after the LH surge (around day 14 in a normal cycle). Ovulating several days before the period is very rare and would indicate a leuteal phase defect (LPD). That also means there is typically not enough progesterone to support a pregnancy if that is in fact, happening. Probably the easiest way to find out (other than the tests at the doctor's office) is to buy LH strips. I just got 50 of them on ebay for $18.99 USD. They don't expire until 2008. If you want the seller's user ID, let me know. I have bought from him one time before, and the LH strips work. Once you get a + LH strip, ovulation should occur in 12-48 hours.
About the BBT, I have looked at a lot of charts (you can find a wealth of BBT charts on fertilityfriend.com). There is a big range of temps, and if it just keeps going up, that is a sign of pregnancy.
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Post by ouchy on Apr 7, 2006 22:04:21 GMT -5
Ok. So it's day 25 now, and I have NO clue what is going on w/ my cycle. I've been having weird intestinal cramping, and it feels like before I had my last surgery for endo--like my colon and intestines are glued all kinds of weird places and twisted. Don't know if what I am feeling is hormone-related, but I just have no idea what is going on w/ me. I finally got a date for my annual exam, so hopefully I'll have more info on what my body is doing in mid-June. Grrrr. Sucks to wait that long, but I guess it will give me more time to chart stuff and be prepared when I go. I hate to have another lap, but I totally feel like that is what is going on inside my body!
No clue on ovulation. Will just wait until I get my period and see if my aaaaaaaaaaalmost positve LH strip matches up w/ 2 weeks before!
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Post by ouchy on Apr 15, 2006 0:41:03 GMT -5
Okay. So I just got my period. I have reviewed the fertility chart that I made, and the closest to positive ovulation LH test strip I had matched up perfectly to the first day that I had the closest slide to seeing crystals on the ovulation saliva predictor. My cycle was only 31 days long this cycle, so I'm happy about that! yayyy! So, one cycle down, time to start charting again! I don't want to jinx myself, but so far no cramps!
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Post by ouchy on Apr 16, 2006 1:18:38 GMT -5
Cycle Day 2... and NO cramps!!!!
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Post by ouchy on May 10, 2006 23:37:29 GMT -5
Ok. So, another month has gone by...I'm on day 28 of my cycle, and still no ovulation. I think I'm just really stressed out at my new job. Not mentally stressed or anything, just physically stressed...getting up early, working 8 hours, coming home to clean/cook, go to bed...and then the whole thing starts again! Grrrrr! I've wasted a ton of LH strips waiting for signs of ovulation. I've seen partial-fertile signs both on the LH strips and microscope...but nothing that indicated ovulation. It's like my body "tries" to ovulate but doesn't succeed. Guess this is what was going on w/ me in middle/high school/college. I guess I'm just really sensitive to stress. Hope to know more next month when I see the gyne.
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lauren
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Post by lauren on May 11, 2006 9:02:55 GMT -5
I always enjoy reading your posts. I must say though that it sounds like you are running yourself into the ground. I would imagine that stress would start playing a very big role with those sort of challenges everyday. How common is it for people not to ovulate? Just a random question. Hope your new job is going well. I also hope that seeing your gyne next month gives you all the answers you need.
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Post by ouchy on May 11, 2006 22:47:44 GMT -5
OMIG!!!!! A + LH strip!!!! I got frustrated that I wasn't ovulating and took 3 plant estrogen pills the other day..and boom!!! + strip today!!!! yayyyy! Microscope is partial ferning!!!
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Post by lauren on May 18, 2006 8:59:30 GMT -5
Hello there ouchy...geuss what I got a Fertility-Focus microscope thingy! You are so right it is just so cute! I couldn't believe that I found one, esp where I live! It is just the coolest thing! I have been charting and noticed that my temp went up by like 0.2 'C and that I had the cervical mucus sign and the slight fluttering cramps...I am tired of mostly guessing when ovulation has been taking place and recently wondered if I was ovulating. But a new doctor suggested I get an opk...just like lipstick! tested the next morning and it wasn't very impressive. I wasn't sure what I was looking at at all...but I thought it could possibly be the transitional thing...and then this morning!!! There it was 'ferning' just like in the little pamphlet! It's so pretty! I know that sounds daft, but it really hit home how immensely amazing God is and how intricate our bodies are...well as far as I understand the ferning can mean that I will ovulate soon or that I already am? I'm going to see if I can figure that out. Question I assume the ferning clears up after ovulation? Its day 13 of my cycle. My only fear is that I see ferning throughout my cycle...this is unlikely I know...but with my luck. Anyways I will keep you posted...what's happening with you?
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Post by ouchy on May 18, 2006 18:37:52 GMT -5
Lauren!!! That is sooo awesome! I"m so happy for you!!! Yep. Clear ferning usually means that you are ovulating!!!!! It usually goes away after ovulation and then maybe a little will show before your period, as the secondary estrogen spike arrives (does not mean that you will ovulate again, just that period is on its way). That is soooo awesome, though! I have to admit that I am a bit jealous that I've never seen the full ferning and have been using the microscope for several cycles now. Well, I wish you luck! Get to baby dancing!!! Hehe! Kisses!
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Post by lauren on May 20, 2006 3:06:14 GMT -5
Hey there ouchy...so I'm thinking that seeing ferning means that on that day you are ovulating, cos since then I've seen nothing...the samples don't even look remotely the same as before, I have a cold though and am wondering if that can affect the saliva? It was so cool to see the ferning...I thought it would last for a couple of days though, but it has completely disappeared. I suppose that means that I have ovulated already...didn't see a temp spike though, but I only check first thing in the morning so maybe I missed it? Going to go look on the net and see if I can find any more info. I still have the cervical mucus thing and my bust seems fuller. I would usually have assumed that these are also signs of ovulation, perhaps they simply occur after the fact instead of before as I usually assumed. Hope that was not too much information. I think that the ovulation predicter is very sensitive and you need the perfect sample? I think I've been trying too much saliva yest and today? How's work going?
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Post by lauren on May 20, 2006 8:16:25 GMT -5
Hey there again, just checked again, and I definitely see what could be transitional ferning...Its 7 hours later, just think the sample was better, I def get better luck with licking the predicter. Does it make sense to see the transitional ferning after having ovulated? I know I use you like an advice column, I don't mean to, I just value what you have to say cos you are so knowlegable!
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Post by ouchy on May 20, 2006 11:20:36 GMT -5
Hi, Lauren!!! That is soooooooo awesome about the ferning!!! It does make sense to have an intermediate-definite-intermediate pattern. If you were using LH strips, this would be called a "fade-in, fade-out" pattern.
BTW, my job SUCKS!!! I hate the girls with whom I work! They are so mean to me, and I am so polite to them. It's like a repeat of my first 2 years of high school! And they goof off a lot, too. They don't have very good work ethic. Anyway, I'm looking for another job, something closer to my field of study. Keep your fingers crossed for me!
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Post by ouchy on May 20, 2006 11:21:59 GMT -5
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Post by lauren on May 26, 2006 3:06:23 GMT -5
Thank you Ouchy. that was very cool! I'm sorry about your job, it's a good idea to look for something else. It's amazing how people can be so imature! You are such a sweet angel always there for others and that is the treatment you get! I hope you find something 'right up your alley'! keep me informed. fingers crossed.
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