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Post by loveshoes on Apr 13, 2012 18:22:35 GMT -5
We have a couple of threads around somewhere specifically for sugar Thanks, I did see those but I didn't think they really answered my question and since Rusty mentioned about sugars in the salad dressings I as still wondering if the endo rule is to avoid every single food out there that has sugar or if the rule just applies to adding sugars into foods. I still need to find that out.
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Post by 1234 on Apr 13, 2012 19:23:39 GMT -5
both. adding sugar in or eating foods with sugar both deliver sugar to your body. and sugar delivers inflammation.
the honey we've had some debates about. it is a sugar, but raw honey has so many things in it that are anti-inflammatory and good for you in a bunch of ways that I allow myself the raw honey.
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Post by loveshoes on Apr 13, 2012 19:37:14 GMT -5
I guess my struggle will be then about processed foods, I do eat some processed so I sorta feel sugar in that regard is going to be unavoidable. I really need to hit up my 1/2 price book store and get some endo diet books and endo recipe books to learn more. Thanks Rustmyrtle! I also feel that since I suppress my periods all the time with the pill that I'm just not sure about the inflammation. I know many members are doing the natural approach and still bleed naturally monthly - I'm sure sure if I have inflammation anymore or if I have done a good job at fixing that with my diet. It seems to be more noticeable as far as benefit for those who had ovulation pain and then with the diet change it went away, same with period pain so since my approach is slightly different, and I never have pain anymore, I'm just not sure....
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Post by loveshoes on Apr 13, 2012 20:58:40 GMT -5
Jenaya - I'm sorry, that really sucks! I hope you feel better tomorrow! I'm so paranoid eating out and stuff just for reasons like what happened to you.
Semicolon - see, I'm the same way, I'm really trying hard to avoid processed foods but still, you have to eat SOMETHING so things like jams, peanutbutter, etc in moderation do have sugars so I'm torn on this topic of sugar. I can't say I feel much different going GF/Wheat free, I can say that usually when we eat out which is rare, but when we do, I always used to get an upset stomach and when we ate out and I ordered the GF pasta, it was the 1st time that I felt GOOD so that was sorta proof enough for me that I'm doing the right thing. I also never get an upset stomach at work now and that used to be common for me so I know that I'm on the right track....I just wanted to expand to more of the endo diet and try to eliminate the sugars and I think I've done a good job, I used to put brown sugar on my steel cut oats with almond milk and I cut that out and switched to either plain or raw honey but now going to try agave instead. I used to make 1 cup of coffee daily and put alot of white sugar and cream and cut that off completely, now just have plain non caffinated tea, and stopped putting white sugar in my puffed rice cereal so I've made drastic changes in that regard, I'm just not sure of watching for sugar as an ingredient, I just feel it's unavoidable but maybe I'm mistaken and just need to learn more. I'm pleased with the changes I have made, I have a major sweet tooth and to give up sweets and stuff is huge for me. It was someones last day today at work and there were bagels, that was a challenge for me to "ignore" them....but I did....it's just a mindset, I just think no, you'll get sick and just have a healthy snack instead. I don't ever have a period so I have no idea in that regard. I work out a ton as well so I know that helps with inflammation issues as well, overall, I feel amazing so I'm obviously doing something.....constantly improving......
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Post by hollymarie on Apr 14, 2012 9:17:49 GMT -5
Hi Kimmie,
I copied this from the Sensible Health.com website which, for me, is one of THE best source out there. If you can, spend a little time perusing it, especially #s 4&5.
HERBS Anise, hops, fennel, black cohosh, milk thistle, clover, red clover, Don Quai, licorice, ginseng, royal jelly, peony, nettle, sage, fenugreek, evening primrose oil, burdock, chamomiles, rhubarb
FOODS French bean, date palm, dates, garlic, pomegranate, apple, soyabean, chick pea, cherry, alfalfa, soya sprouts, cow pea, green beans, red beans, split peas, flaxseed, raspberry, carrot and squash (both have beta carotene)
"Generally I have found that estrogen contents in foods are less than in herbs. My suggestion for women with hormone imbalance is to avoid herbs which have estrogenic activities such as Don Quei, Licorice, Ginseng, Royal Jelly, fennel, hops, anise, clover, flax seed oil and evening primrose oil even though they may make you feel better initially. Estrogen-containing foods such as alfalfa, chick pea, carrot (or beta carotene) can be taken occasionally but not on a regular basis."
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Post by MustangGtGirl on Apr 14, 2012 9:37:18 GMT -5
Hi, Loveshoes thank you for posting this about the sweeteners. I am learning about the diet and after reading this Karen I did not know that there was a specific thread for this. I am glad loveshoes put it on here being a topic that is listed at the top this came in hany to me.. I have so many questions about the diet as it is new to me and actually had no clue about salad dressings. I would not have thought it would or could be loaded with sugars. I need to start reading labels more. Thank you again for opening my eyes to salad dressings as I am learning this it is helpful bc I don't know every thread that is on here yet. thank you again loveshoes.
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Post by MustangGtGirl on Apr 14, 2012 10:03:06 GMT -5
This diet is so complex and I am still learning like I said. If she didn't put that on here I would have had no clue about something as simple as salad dressing. Jenaya Conrats on your upcoming day and I am so sorry about the restaurant and you getting sick that is horrible.
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Post by loveshoes on Apr 14, 2012 10:45:53 GMT -5
Often times, thread topic do overlap so it's very easy to confuse things from time to time.
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Post by loveshoes on Apr 17, 2012 12:53:25 GMT -5
I subscribe to some blogs and got this yesterday and interestingly it really slams agave. I’m still learning about switching from use of white or brown sugar and replacing with agave, or maple syrup or SOMETHING else. What do you all think of this article about agave? I thought Agave is used by many of us on the endo diet. I just started using it.....I do find it awfullly sweet....almost too much for my liking....
"Fructose is one type of sugar molecule. It occurs naturally in fresh fruits, giving them their sweetness. Because of this, many people consider fructose “natural,” and assume that all fructose products are healthier than other types of sugar.
Likewise, fructose has a low glycemic index, meaning it has minimal impact on blood glucose levels. This has made it a popular sweetener with people on low-carbohydrate and low-glycemic diets, which aim to minimize blood glucose levels in order to minimize insulin release. But the glycemic index is not the sole determining factor in whether a sweetener is “healthy” or desirable to use.
Because fructose is very sweet, fruit contains relatively small amounts, providing your body with just a little bit of the sugar, which is very easily handled. If people continued to eat fructose only in fruit and occasionally honey as our ancestors did, the body would easily process it without any problems. Unfortunately, the traditional Western diet is extremely high in fructose, which is present in many processed foods, soda pop, baked goods, crackers, canned goods, and many others. The result is a toxic load. According to the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, fructose intake has increased dramatically in the past few decades.
The problem with fructose is that when you consume large amounts of it in its concentrated form (agave, crystalline fructose, high-fructose corn syrup), it goes straight to your liver, avoiding the gastrointestinal tract altogether. This places a heavy toxic load on your liver, which must work very hard to process it, sometimes resulting in scarring. Additionally, fructose is converted by the liver into glycerol, which can raise levels of triglycerides. High triglycerides are linked to increased risk of atherosclerosis and heart disease. According to the AJCN article cited above, “hepatic (liver) metabolism of fructose thus favors lipogenesis.”
High fructose intake has been associated with:
Increased levels of circulating blood lipids Obesity Fat around the middle Lowered HDL Increased levels of uric acid (associated with gout and heart disease) Liver scarring (cirrhosis) Fatty liver The formation of AGE’s* (advanced end glycation products), which can lead to wrinkling and other signs of skin aging *Some studies show that fructose creates AGE’s up to 10 times more efficiently than glucose
Bottom line: A little fruit is just fine – it contains small amounts of fructose the body can easily metabolize. Concentrated fructose in HFCS, agave, and crystallized fructose on the other hand, can cause a real health problem and should be avoided."
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Post by Karen on Apr 17, 2012 13:16:45 GMT -5
I avoid sweetener all together and don't add any to my cooking except on a very rare occasion. I avoid them because they mess with my blood sugar and I crash sooner, and with adrenal issues, it's best to keep blood sugar as stable as possible. Fruit is about as sweet as I get. I haven't looked at substitutes. If I want sugar, I just use sugar. But, it's maybe once every few months.
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Post by loveshoes on Apr 17, 2012 13:47:51 GMT -5
Thanks Karen, I hate to say it but I might go back to just regular sugar as needed since I use it very little anyways. I heard stevia is good. I have been searching about agave over my lunch time and not good news to report. Part of me wants to just go back to regular honey or keep up with the raw honey for my steel cut oats. Ugh…this is very tricky business to learn about all these things. From most of the experts I have read so far, they say run away from agave, it’s over hyped and not good for us to consume. I have to be so careful with fruits, I believe I also have a fructose mal absorption issue, all fruits/veges that rank high in fructose content give me horrible gas and stomach issues ( apples, pears, oranges, any dried fruit at all including dates which I loved…..cauliflower and broccoli so getting my sweet fix from fruit is challenging most of the times. The ones I’m ok with are cantaloupe, raspberries, blueberries, blackberries and bananas and those are lower so no tummy trouble just not too sweet vs. the other options.
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Post by JC on Apr 18, 2012 7:40:49 GMT -5
I honestly think you can't go wrong with whatever is made from nature in its pure form. That's how I judge what I eat and then sometimes make reasonable exceptions.
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Post by loveshoes on Apr 21, 2012 14:56:53 GMT -5
I am also posting this link to great detailed info about fructose. I have found that I am sensitive to it and all of the foods on the HIGH list cause me major gastro issues. Hope this helps others as well! infonolan.hubpages.com/hub/Fructose-Malabsorption
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Post by Karen on Apr 21, 2012 15:17:08 GMT -5
Could be because you're not digesting them properly. Lactose intolerance works similarly - our bodies lack the enzymes to break them down, but if we introduce the proper enzyme (lactaid for lactose intolerance), voila, the food can be broken down into the proper nutrients so the body can actually use it instead of just passing it right through the body.
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Post by loveshoes on Apr 21, 2012 16:34:44 GMT -5
It's possible. That's why I thought maybe a digestive supplement might help. I did find some info on gluten sensitivities. It said with celiac the villi in the intestine are destroyed and become very short. This is similar with gluten sensitivity and also if you are sensitive to gluten, you are often also sensitive to lactose. Apparently once you give up the gluten, those villi heal and most times you can digest dairy again. I came across a fructose sensitivity forum and they often use those candies called smarties or these other tubes of powder candy but I can't recall what they are called right now. Next time I see the doctor for my physical, I'm going to request the fructose test to see if I have this or not. Below is some great info on it:
Some Basic Fructose Knowledge Fructose is a simple sugar (monosaccharide) which the body uses for energy Sugar (sucrose) is made up of 50% fructose and 50% glucose. and so she should only consume limited amount of it. Glucose is needed in order to process fructose - so glucose (or dextrose) is good When balancing a fructose diet you must look for items that have a higher level of glucose in them then fructose (and unfortunately this is not general knowledge and takes time to learn) Fructans are chains of fructose and wheat has fructans in it therefore making it unsuitable for many who have Fructose Malabsorption Sweet Tarts are almost pure glucose and so for some they are considered medicine. if it is likely that you will not be able to maintain the diet or are going to eat something that you probably shouldn't have you can eat SweetTarts about 5-10 minutes before having the food in order to give her system extra glucose to process the incoming fructose -this will only work for excess fructose but not fructans (wheat and onions) -although this helps it is not a cure ... the body still has a total fructose tolerance level and no matter how much glucose you consume it's going to suffer
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