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Post by staceys on Oct 12, 2009 11:19:34 GMT -5
One last quick post before back to topic, sorry Ouchy Jenaya and Ouchy summed it up completely and wonderfully. I read these posts last night and was too tired to post, but I would have said the same thing. I wanted to add that as an exercise physiologist Ouchy is dead on right about estrogen/progesterone levels response to exercise. I know I posted a while back that when I was in a regular exercise schedule, I noticed a huge difference, unfortunately, I fell out of it this past year. However, I am packing my running shoes and starting very slowly this week since I am about 3 weeks post-op. I need to do everything in my power to not get back on the table. If it doesn't work, well hey, there are way too many benefits of exercise to list, so I'll suck them up whilst trying to improve my endo symptoms. Also, I am thin as well and experienced similar complaints as Jenaya when I added on 20 pounds from Lupron. I felt a mess and in a lot of pain and no clothes fit me. As soon as I got down to MY baseline, it returned to what was 'normal' for me - granted I still had painful periods, but that is MY baseline. Also, I'm not a broke college student, although I have been there Jenaya, and I didn't want to buy new clothes either. Losing the weight had both psychological and physical impacts for ME which improved my overall health and well being. I guess I can add a period rant on here too. I have been off bcp since surgery as directed by my doc. I'm switching to a new one as soon as my cycle starts. I am NOT looking forward to having my first 'real' period in years combining with my first cycle after the lap. I am bloated and experiencing not fun pain for the past few days and I'm still a week away. At least once this is over, I will start continuous bcp and can say bye-bye to periods for quite some time (hopefully). I am back to work this week, so this makes this week double suck. Best of luck to you Jenaya, I have a feeling you will see some improvements once you return to your baseline. If not, at least you don't have to run up credit cards buying a new wardrobe
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Post by hellsbells on Oct 12, 2009 12:46:09 GMT -5
Lord I wish men had these kinds of problems.........'cos you know they'd be cured if they did!!!
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Post by JC on Oct 12, 2009 18:54:21 GMT -5
^^^ HAHHHAHAHAHAAA!!! That's SO TRUE!
By the way, I just want to make one more clarification. The topics we discuss about weight have NOTHING to do with physical appearance. We are talking about a healthy body fat percentage, not a physical image of "trying to be skinny." We are constantly bombarded with what we're "supposed" to look like and at this point in my PMS rage, I'm so sick of being told I need big this, big that, little this little that... I just want to be healthy reguardless of how I look.
Now aside from that tangent, I just want to draw one more parallel to this crazy rant. If athletes with low body fat have lower levels of estrogen, they sometimes either have really really light periods or none at all. Now stay with me here, I'm NOT TALKING ABOUT GETTING SKINNY.If they have light periods then obviously their endometrial tissue isn't regenerating month to month like our crazy asses. IF normal endometrial tissue isn't forming, then our crazy endometrial tissue in other places shouldn't form either. It's the same cells! You gals following me here? When I was at my best shape, I had a very low 12% body fat. I weighed 150lbs of pure muscle and I barely had a period at all, no cramps, and never needed an ounce of caffeine for energy. Now?? ummm well, no muscle tone, I am at 165lbs, I have horrible heavy periods, endo, and insane PMS that makes me want to break things. I seriously can't deny the obvious anymore. I need to get back into shape.
Now if we want to get into the other factors about how endo makes us too tired to work out then I can totally understand that feeling and it's a completely different topic we can talk about.
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Post by uncomfortable on Oct 12, 2009 23:42:17 GMT -5
Jenaya Although like omaklackey mentioned I don't know how much it has to do with actual body fat as much as maybe just estrogens. I never said body fat causes endo. I said body fat increases production of estrogen. Sorry I think I had poor wording on this. I meant that I agree about an increase in estrogen with increased body fat. not that body fat causes Endo. I agree with what everyone has been saying about reaching a healthy weight for each individual person. I don't think being skinny equates to being healthy. I have been thin all my life, but I don't feel I am healthier for it. I have struggled to gain weight for a number of years, but I maintain a healthy lifestyle of eating right and exercising to make me as Healthy as I can be for ME. I hope Jenaya that you can get the the weight you feel healthy and comfortable being. I know it is hard to reach those personal goals a lot of the time, and it is important to do what is best for you and your body. I do know that my body doesn't seem to agree with estrogen very well though.
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Post by JC on Oct 13, 2009 6:21:23 GMT -5
Yeah estrogen = evil right now. It's PMS week and I seriously can't function. My marriage is a disaster right now, I took a calculus test yesterday and completely blanked out and probably failed it. It's my freakin best subject too which I over studied for! I can't believe that I can be such a different person week by week. I've NEVER had these problems with PMS before. The whole body fat % thing is all I have to go on right now and I'm praying it's the answer because I really can't live like this. This is classic symptoms of PMDD. It's awful and it's ruining my life. I have to struggle to leave the house.
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Post by hellsbells on Oct 13, 2009 7:10:03 GMT -5
I know Jenaya, one day in work I can be sweet, helpful, approachable, smiling and funny. The next day I'm suprised people can't see the evil red glow from my eyes as I try to burn holes in their heads! It's awful and I hate being that way, I want to be nice all the time, and not feel like ripping someone's head off or running to the bathroom to cry my eyes out. I've no doubt that shifting some weight will make me feel better in a multitude of ways, but it's so damn hard at the moment. Good luck to ya, and let us know your findings, eh? Hope you feel better soon and the rage passes - I call it my 'burning pit of fury' :-)
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Post by ouchy on Oct 13, 2009 9:30:54 GMT -5
This might brigten your day. I have my period right now (which is suprisingly light!!!!!! yayyyy!), and I'm a bit bloated. While the critter was brushing her teeth, she reached up, patted my tummy, and in an extremely high-pitched, baby-talking, baby-talk voice (like she uses to talk to other, tinier babies), she said, "Hiiiiiiiiiiii, Noah." Noah is my friend's newborn. The critter knows that Noah was in his mommy's tummy before he was born. My tummy is apparently looking pregnant. LOL!
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Post by JC on Oct 13, 2009 10:28:59 GMT -5
HAHA AWWW! Well HURRAY For the light period though! That's awesome!
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Post by sunshine78 on Oct 13, 2009 23:29:50 GMT -5
Jenaya, I know some VERY skinny and healthy people with PMS. The very first doctor I went to told me if I lost weight I wouldn't have any problems with PMS. ITS A LOAD OF CRAP! If you want to get healthy because you want to get healthy then that's awesome. BUT losing weight isn't going to magically fix your endo. I agree with that "lose weight" thing being BS. I was always skinny, and have always, ALWAYS had horrible PMS and endo pain. Well, I was skinny, then wasn't, then was, then wasn't. But when I lost weight, it did not improve anything.
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Post by sunshine78 on Oct 13, 2009 23:35:14 GMT -5
In any case, I know all of the horrible things that happen to me, personally, when I put on too much weight.
The biggest indicator that I've gained too much: lack of sex drive.
Normally, I'm Horny Harriett, but I've gained apparently just enough weight since my surgery to knock everything out of whack.
I've been chronically exhausted since age 17, so I'm sure that's not the only factor in my exhaustion, but it certainly doesn't help, I'm sure.
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Post by sunshine78 on Oct 13, 2009 23:36:34 GMT -5
Lord I wish men had these kinds of problems.........'cos you know they'd be cured if they did!!! DINGDINGDING!!! And if men could get pregnant, abortion/birth control pills wouldn't be an issue.
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Post by JC on Oct 14, 2009 4:37:28 GMT -5
Jenaya, I know some VERY skinny and healthy people with PMS. The very first doctor I went to told me if I lost weight I wouldn't have any problems with PMS. ITS A LOAD OF CRAP! If you want to get healthy because you want to get healthy then that's awesome. BUT losing weight isn't going to magically fix your endo. I agree with that "lose weight" thing being BS. I was always skinny, and have always, ALWAYS had horrible PMS and endo pain. Well, I was skinny, then wasn't, then was, then wasn't. But when I lost weight, it did not improve anything. LOL ok, please go back and re-read what I said. I said that FOR ME, MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, my symptoms got worse and I tied it into the fact that fat cells produce estrogen and if I have a sensitivity to estrogen, the slight increase might have caused my symptoms to get worse. My attention was focused on ESTROGEN SENSITIVITY and people seem to have only focused on the weight aspect of MY, MYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY problem. I went into great detail to explain this so I'll refrain from explaining it again here. For people who are "skinny and still have problems," I said it was a sensitivity to ESTROGEN, not fat.
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Post by pamelaj on Oct 14, 2009 7:19:59 GMT -5
ok...so when i posted a thread in here a bit ago, i said last one!! Well at least it was supposed to be(stupid early periods). Im in so much freaking pain right now i actually feel like there's a baby in me saying "let me out".
After 6 pain free days..calm leading up to the storm theory...i think my body is making up for lost time on the pain.
I got my period this morning after having painful sex and for some reason it is ALOT heavier than usual which is why im prob in so much agony? I better be truthful this time when i say its my last one as im due to have my surgery in 3 weeks.
P.S. BYE BYE PERIODS... P.S.S. My 11 year old daughter just got hers for the 1st time on Monday...good bye to mine hello to hers
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Post by sunshine78 on Oct 15, 2009 2:01:32 GMT -5
I agree with that "lose weight" thing being BS. I was always skinny, and have always, ALWAYS had horrible PMS and endo pain. Well, I was skinny, then wasn't, then was, then wasn't. But when I lost weight, it did not improve anything. LOL ok, please go back and re-read what I said. I said that FOR ME, MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, my symptoms got worse and I tied it into the fact that fat cells produce estrogen and if I have a sensitivity to estrogen, the slight increase might have caused my symptoms to get worse. My attention was focused on ESTROGEN SENSITIVITY and people seem to have only focused on the weight aspect of MY, MYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY problem. I went into great detail to explain this so I'll refrain from explaining it again here. For people who are "skinny and still have problems," I said it was a sensitivity to ESTROGEN, not fat. Sorry, that's what my subsequent post was for. Everything is individual, and right now, I'm a miserable lardy-pants.
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Post by JC on Oct 15, 2009 5:00:14 GMT -5
lol no you're not a miserable lardy-pants. I just am PMSing this week and I'm more overly psycho and sensitive lately But for some reason I'm being misunderstood by what I was saying and I don't quite get it. I think people are just extremely sensitive to talk about "weight." What really boggles my mind though is why people are calling exercise BS. Exercise is beneficial whether it treats endo or not. The fact that people say "I tried diet and exercise and it didn't work." So then what? Stop dieting and exercising? I think the most common misconception of exercise and diet is that it's not a magical one-time cure all. It's a complete lifestyle change. It's part of a healthy lifestyle. When you are dieting and exercising, people are supposed to develop habits that they are willing to do forever (this is why starving yourself doesn't work). It's not something you can do to fix yourself and then throw it out the window hoping you'll stay healthy. Now for my individual issues, for a short period of time my lifestyle was very unhealthy and as a result my body is falling apart and I'm an emotional basket case. I don't expect to just "get skinny" and have it cure it all. I have to change my entire lifestyle to fix it and keep it away. Does this make sense or am I still a ranting hormonal wreck?
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