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Post by needadvise on Dec 10, 2006 10:39:55 GMT -5
iam sorry to have been missing so long, i have been in ALOT of horrible cramp pain, and back pain. it's been terrible. iam due for my period now, and had weird spotting this cycle, and have never spotted before in my entire life! at first i thought hmmm...maybe early implantation bleeding since it never happened? then i thought maybe my monitor and body signs were off, and it was a late O...but found out on cd 25, i had a progesterone level of .4, which is far from 10 or more, which means ovulation. so my monitor has been wrong, and my body never released an egg at all. iam on cd 31 right now, and expecting to bleed at any time, and am going to start fertility meds next month.
i ALWAYS used to O, so this is a very new problem at 31 years old, plus the spotting, plus the cramps that were dfinately worse this month then ever before, and i haven't started my period yet, which is when pain should normally be, if at all, so that is wacked! i have to take a pain med as soon as i get up in the am, and it just isn't right. an off cycle? maybe. maybe my body tried to ovulate, but something happened and held it back, but what? and what could cause spotting? all my blood levels taken in the past few months came back perfect except a slight elevation of the CA-125, but my gyno doesn't think anything of it, but all my womanly hormones are fine.
iam waiting for my period so i can start the meds, but it isn't here yet just pain, but no blood, and despite no O, i still took a hpt and of course negative. my question is, can endo cause you to NOT be able to release and egg and ovulate? also the sudden spotting, is that endo related? eventhough not officially diagnosed, as time goes on, iam more and more convinced, and the pain...i mean it just wasn't like this in the past, why is it getting so much worse?
i am so scared of the lap cause i can only imagine the awful mess i have inside of me. waking up and finding out how bad it was, and what happened, is like the scariest thought of my life, plus no dr is even pushing a lap on me, but pushing pregnancy which is all well and good, but so far i haven't been able to get pregnant, so what can i do? the medication is a good step, but the pain this month is just out of the ball park, and i have a high tolerance. of course the thought of cancer also scares me, eventhough i know iam jumping the gun there, i just can't take it! leg pain, and headaches.
i hope the fertility meds help, but i was just questioning these other things, the lack of ovulation, spotting, pain, etc. it's just all so sucky when ttc:(
hugs, michelle
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Post by ouchy on Dec 10, 2006 11:20:33 GMT -5
Hi, michelle. I am guessing if the endo is encapsulating the ovary somehow you might not be able to release an egg, but you'd still produce one--leading to your P4 to be 10 or so (That's all due to hormone work, regardless of endo as far as I know.). It might be a good idea to have FSH/LH checked on day 3 of your cycle THEN to be followed by the progesterone test. If the FSH/LH is out-of-whack, you most likely won't ovulate. A lot of times when the LH is greater than FSH the cycle will be anovulatory. The key to ovulation is usually regulating LH and FSH to a 1:1 ratio.
Spotting is usually either hormone-related or infection-related. Sometimes even just overgrowth of normal, healthy vaginal bacteria/flora can cause an infection which can lead to spotting--especially after sex. A lot of women taking synthetic hormone in b.c. pills get spotting, but you're not on b.c. pills, so it's most likely YOUR hormones that are out-of-whack.
Pregnancy is not a cure, and it is sad that a lot of doctors still push that. Yes, the doctor might perform a lap and find tons of endo inside--but if he does, think of how much healthier your insides might become by having all that endo removed! And if nothing is found, then at least that takes it off your mind.
Can you go to a reproductive endocrinologist? They are fabulous with reproductive hormone issues, and a lot of them specialize in endometriosis.
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Post by needadvise on Dec 10, 2006 20:16:18 GMT -5
thanks ouchie, one of the drs i saw was the obgyn the other was the RE who originally got me pregnant last time, and they seem to have this notion that since i was 'ok' 2 yrs ago, and treatment worked so fast for me, that a lap isn't necessary for me to concieve, just go for it, get pregnant and worry about things later, and maybe things will get better who knows? that is what they say anyway though i tend to not like this answer. sure pregnancy will help, for 9 months that is. maybe they just want me off their back? i look fine outwardly or i must be fine? IDK, but i was tested for PCOS, and had blood levels taken by both drs, fsh, lh, prolactin, thyroid, i told them to check EVERYTHING, and it was all fine. the RE took all the blood on day 5 of my cycle, the other mid cycle, so i never had a cd3 fsh test, which you told me about last month, but i was already past that day. it would be nicer to know beforehand. i just can't imagine that they would NOT find horrid endo. i know they say pain has nothing to do with the amount, but trust me, i have really really bad luck, and i just got a feeling it would be bad. i mean how can they not want to do a lap, which the RE would do, but he says go with clomid iui first and he thinks that will work again...i guess worry later, and they other says 'why do unecessary surgery on someone your age and everything, i just don't think it's the thing to do right now'...am i not complaining enough? iam not a big complainer, but i have thought i have been doing a pretty good job lately. i mean i laughed and joked throughout my whole labor, he should know me by now...i deal well in front of others, but this month's pain is definately worse. i know it can't be anything but, and it's scarey, but it seems easier to me if i could get preggo, and then if God forbid i get news like my ovaries need taking out, i'll be able to deal cause i know i acheived my dream, and are done having kids. iam scared of any more bad news in my life, especially when iam not done having kids yet. my mom said the lap was terrible for her, as in it didn't help the pain, and she had everything removed soon after, but she was done having kids. in my case, i feel like i have a clock strapped to my back. i have never been known to not ovulate before, but it seems like my body is trying but not doing the job, and it's all a recent thing, and the spotting very recent, and EXTREME pain, very recent. yes i have had pain that might make others cry at certain times of the month, but now it's been horrid. on top of it i woke up with a nasty cold...is there no justice? this is why iam seeking a second RE, and hence a 3rd opinion, cause eventhough i might not want a lap, why are they so against it for ME, especially when the RE is pretty sure i have endo, he just doesn't think it will pose a problem for me. iam in NY and going to top dr's, what is going on here??? i definately gotto complain more, and i would like to take the clomid, cause if iam not ovulating i think it will do the trick. i did take it once before but it was just for more eggs, i always ovulated at that time. i mean before my child my periods the first day or 2 were bad, and sometimes i had 1 day of O pain, but not crippling, and a super plus every hour or so would do the trick, now it's a super plus and a pad..frequent changes the first 2 days, and pain before, during, now after my period, and O.. forget it. now spotting. what else could it be? i know knowledge is power, but i wanna see if the drs are right, and if i can get away with using intervention to get pregnant, and see if that works. dh agreed to the clomid cause of this upsetting new situation, eventhough he is afraid of multiples...well we both are, we are scared to, so we are taking the chance. i think iui would also be our best bet again and after a couple failed cycles, i'd definaltely go for a lap cause i'd know something was wrong, but they are just so confident that nothing in the past 2 yrs could have affected my fertility and health so much, and how friggen wrong is that thought process? IDK...i just didn't know if endo was in play here. iam due for af but no blood, and am having EWCM and my CP is unusually high and soft for this time of month, so maybe iam o-ing super late? guess i'll find out when the blood comes or doesn't come. i can't really tell by temps cause this am it was elevated, but i do have a cold, so.... i'll keep you posted and thanks as always. hugs, michelle
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Post by ouchy on Dec 10, 2006 20:57:14 GMT -5
Man. I don't know what to say. I think seeking another RE's opinion is a GREAT idea--just try to find out before you spend all the money on another one that he is proactive about finding out if it is endo--especially with your bowel problems (I think you are the person I'm thinking of--sorry if you're not.)! Just ask the doc. straight up if he would be willing to do a lap. I don't know. Just my opinion.
Best wishes. Sorry for all this b.s. you are going through!!!
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Post by denna on Dec 10, 2006 21:57:33 GMT -5
hi michelle,
have you tried clomid,hcg (pregnly) and iui at the same time? just wonder..i also have bad cramping and feel nausea when i'm due to ovulate. ..going for iui tomorrow
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Post by needadvise on Dec 11, 2006 10:31:07 GMT -5
yeah i did iui and clomid with my 16 mo old, 1 time is all it took after years of sex. dh said maybe by spring/summer he'd be 'ready' (like they have to be,,we are the ones doing it), lol, for iui, right now i guess he's trying to see if he can do the job, which i sort of understand, but we are impatient beings, so not really, lol, but iam respecting him for now, and he has said ok to the clomid since last month, apparently i didn't even ovulate which is odd for me, and makes me wonder what is up?? so iam waiting for AF so i can try the clomid. i never tried it alone before, and wanna be sure i ovulate, or i got no chance. iam due for af today but she isn't here yet. of course, when you want her right? good luck today.
ouchie- yeah that is why i need the 3rd dr badly. unfortunately i have to get referrels with the plan i have, which is hard cause i have been requesting many recently, so i have to really have a good reason for this one, and i need to pick a real good one. i do know of one that is supposed to be top notch, but isn't taking more patients, which stinks. i gotto find someone. when i say pain this month, iam not a complainer, i mean PAIN!
YES..iam the severe IBS gal. aren't i so lucky? NOT, lol. thanks all. will keep you posted.
hugs, michelle
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Post by ouchy on Feb 23, 2007 2:49:21 GMT -5
I just finished reading a fertility book called "Taking Charge of Your Fertility," and some women may actually experience spotting with ovulation. This is due to hormonal changes that take place at ovulation and probably not from endo.
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Post by denna on Feb 28, 2007 21:17:51 GMT -5
hi
what do you all mean by spotting with ovulation. i have brownish discharge just before my period..this is my first time..
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Post by ouchy on Feb 28, 2007 21:47:44 GMT -5
I've never had ovulation spotting, but apparently some women have it. The brownish discharge you describe is probably just pre-period blood and not ovulation spotting, which would be about 14 days before you get your period. The first day of your period is the first day you get red blood or more than just spotting (some books say it has to be red, but there are hormonal factors that influence the color).
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Post by ouchy on Feb 28, 2007 22:09:44 GMT -5
Here is some info about ovulatory spotting taken from the book Taking Charge of Your Fertility by Toni Weschler.
"Ovulatory Spotting" Simply stated, some women have a day or two of light bleeding right around ovulation. Not only is this spotting normal, but it's another fertility sighn that can help identify where a woman is in her cycle. It's usually the result of the sudden drop of estrogen just before ovulation and tends to occur more often in long cycles."
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Post by ouchy on Feb 28, 2007 22:12:07 GMT -5
i have brownish discharge just before my period..this is my first time.. Taken also from the Taking Charge of Your Fertility book, "Spotting is usually brownish becuase the blood is exposed to more oxygen as it trickles out of the body. A common mistake many women make is to assume that all bleeding episodes are periods. In reality, true menstruation si the bleeding that occurs 12 to 16 days following the release of an egg. Any other type of bleeding is either anovulatory bleeding, normal spotting, or symptomatic of a problem."
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Post by monira on Mar 21, 2007 16:05:16 GMT -5
This is so informative ouchy, Thanks. I also have brownish spoting between my perionds. Not every month. I was so confused and also tod my obgyn who didn't explain me much about it. Now, its more clear to me. How do u know so much! I should talk with u more often to increase my knowledge...
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Post by ouchy on Mar 21, 2007 16:22:03 GMT -5
Hey, monira. I don't really know that much. I just read a lot and love science/biology. You'd probably think I'm terribly geeky to talk to in real life! lol I was the "weird" kid in school.
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Post by monira on Mar 22, 2007 17:12:20 GMT -5
This is u'r simplisity... I always like weired thing, ha-ha-ha. Before using this site, I was so upset, but now I am feeling much confident that may be I would be able to improve my health condition, no metter what the drs say. By the way, how's ur tine been doing inside?
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Post by ouchy on Mar 22, 2007 17:32:47 GMT -5
Hey, monira. It's making me nauseaus, but so far so good! Thanks for asking.
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