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Post by ouchy on Mar 7, 2008 0:11:33 GMT -5
Yep. FSH:LH ratio is the number one cause of anovulation, late ovulation, and other ovuation problems. Good call, jellybean! edited to add...with PCOS, estrogen is often low, so often times it is not unopposed and crazy high...ESPECIALLY when you go so long without having a period. That is also a case where estrogen is usually on the low end. Jellybean is entirely right on track with her thoughts on this one.
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Post by puddleduck on Mar 7, 2008 5:35:30 GMT -5
Interesting about the FSH:LH ratio.
From what the Fertility Friends tutorials teach, there can be several patches of fertile cervical mucus in one cycle, but then there is one dominant follicle which will (hopefully) rupture. Women who have low oestrogen levels tend not to have much "fertile" cervical mucus.
The part that puzzles me is when Jellybean mentions her friend had a three month cycle where she thought, from her signs, that she had ovulated more than once. According to Fertility Friends, a sustained thermal shift for 12-16 days, as well as a change from "eggwhite" cervical mucus to either no mucus or opaque and sticky stuff, are the two main indicators. I wonder whether Jellybean's friend had had two lots of sustained thermal shifts for 12-16 days in that cycle? Was she using the Fertility Friends software? Did it indicate she had ovulated more than once?
I'd like to know, because they charge women money to use this facility and it is widely used. Okay, it's a computer package, but if the information they are providing is false, then in some respects, there is an issue there.
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Post by ouchy on Mar 7, 2008 21:08:46 GMT -5
Right about hopefully one dominant follicle will take over. In PCOS, the follicle often doesn't take over, and you wind up with one that just keeps growing and growing and doesn't ovulate, or you wind up with a bunch that do that (hence, "polycystic ovarian syndrome"). With PCOS, there are often many patches of cervical fluid because the LH increases and decreases as ovulation tries to occur but can't bc the LH is so out of whack. The last time I had my LH:FSH ratio tested, it was either 6:1 or 9:1. Dont' remember. It's supposed to be 1:1 for on-time ovulation! Even on test strips, I can watch my LH increase increase, decrease, decrease, increase, decrease....for over a month! Sometimes a couple months! That's just how PCOS works. Some women even see ferning all month on a microscope and never ovulate. About the friend, she likely didn't have several thermal shifts. Once you ovulate, you either 1) get pregnant or 2) start your period...unless you have a corpus luteum cyst, which is not that common.
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Post by jellybean on Mar 8, 2008 0:02:05 GMT -5
Her temperature bounced around even more than her CM changes, and I mean sometimes by as much as 1.4 degrees. There was absolutely no way to gauge ovulation from either.
Unfortunately, not everyone can fit into generic hormonal guidelines, which is the main cause of her frustration with her body. She wants more than anything to be a mother someday and with everything so hard to decipher, she feels she's a hopeless case. Doesn't help that she's not in a good relationship because she feels the best years will pass her by and one day she'll wake up and it'll be too late. I tell her to be hopeful because I have both PCOS and endo and I'm pregnant, so don't give up so quickly. She's only 21 anyway. She has time.
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Post by ouchy on Mar 8, 2008 1:13:08 GMT -5
yep! definitely tell her to keep her head up! my temps bounced like mad, too.
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Post by jellybean on Mar 9, 2008 1:52:40 GMT -5
I think you'd be as much an inspiration to her as I am. Maybe even moreso as your PCOS symptoms are similar.
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